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		<title>By: jeff</title>
		<link>http://www.iddream.com/2005/04/27/stand-your-ground/comment-page-1/#comment-374</link>
		<dc:creator>jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Apr 2005 23:22:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Remember you don&#8217;t have to be in danger at all.&#160; Your property can be in danger.&#160; If an unarmed teenager is stealing cds out of your bedroom, you may by law shot him in Florida.&#160; If a homeless person is sleeping on your porch, don&#8217;t bother calling the cops, just get your rifle.


My problem with the self-defese doctrine is that it usually applies to crimes that aren&#8217;t worthy of the death penalty (even in Texas), or even jail time.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Remember you don&#8217;t have to be in danger at all.&nbsp; Your property can be in danger.&nbsp; If an unarmed teenager is stealing cds out of your bedroom, you may by law shot him in Florida.&nbsp; If a homeless person is sleeping on your porch, don&#8217;t bother calling the cops, just get your rifle.</p>
<p>My problem with the self-defese doctrine is that it usually applies to crimes that aren&#8217;t worthy of the death penalty (even in Texas), or even jail time.</p>
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		<title>By: Cas Kopacki</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cas Kopacki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Apr 2005 22:44:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, it is completely human.&#160; To think otherwise is sociopathic and completely inhuman.&#160; Just my humble opinion, though.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, it is completely human.&nbsp; To think otherwise is sociopathic and completely inhuman.&nbsp; Just my humble opinion, though.</p>
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		<title>By: Randy Bishop</title>
		<link>http://www.iddream.com/2005/04/27/stand-your-ground/comment-page-1/#comment-372</link>
		<dc:creator>Randy Bishop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Apr 2005 22:19:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I see your point but I think that might be pushing it a bit too far.


The part of this bill that really irks me is how its supporters argue that it helps people defend themselves when in truth it does the exact opposite.&#160; It&#8217;s safer to flee, plain and simple.&#160; If you&#8217;re sending a message that fleeing is against &#8220;common sense&#8221; your risking more life than before.


Inevitably this is going to cause much more havoc and chaos.&#160; It doesn&#8217;t take a crafty lawyer to prove that someone was in a potentially life-threatening situation when they blew some dude away.&#160; Basically this opens the door for people to literally get away with murder.


Cas, is it Christian or just human?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see your point but I think that might be pushing it a bit too far.</p>
<p>The part of this bill that really irks me is how its supporters argue that it helps people defend themselves when in truth it does the exact opposite.&nbsp; It&#8217;s safer to flee, plain and simple.&nbsp; If you&#8217;re sending a message that fleeing is against &#8220;common sense&#8221; your risking more life than before.</p>
<p>Inevitably this is going to cause much more havoc and chaos.&nbsp; It doesn&#8217;t take a crafty lawyer to prove that someone was in a potentially life-threatening situation when they blew some dude away.&nbsp; Basically this opens the door for people to literally get away with murder.</p>
<p>Cas, is it Christian or just human?</p>
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		<title>By: jeff</title>
		<link>http://www.iddream.com/2005/04/27/stand-your-ground/comment-page-1/#comment-371</link>
		<dc:creator>jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Apr 2005 20:13:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But the question is should moral self-sacrifice be imposed by law?&#160; 


If it is immoral to eat humans, and you are stranded in a lifeboat for three weeks and the person with you dies, should you be punished by law for eating him?


The real determination should be necessity, and thats what the FL law has gotten rid of.&#160; 


To compare the FL law to my hypo, its like saying not only can you eat him but you can kill him to protect your own self interests.&#160; (maybe that&#8217;s not exactly fair, but on some levels it is.)
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But the question is should moral self-sacrifice be imposed by law?&nbsp; </p>
<p>If it is immoral to eat humans, and you are stranded in a lifeboat for three weeks and the person with you dies, should you be punished by law for eating him?</p>
<p>The real determination should be necessity, and thats what the FL law has gotten rid of.&nbsp; </p>
<p>To compare the FL law to my hypo, its like saying not only can you eat him but you can kill him to protect your own self interests.&nbsp; (maybe that&#8217;s not exactly fair, but on some levels it is.)</p>
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		<title>By: Cas Kopacki</title>
		<link>http://www.iddream.com/2005/04/27/stand-your-ground/comment-page-1/#comment-370</link>
		<dc:creator>Cas Kopacki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Apr 2005 17:42:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, that sounds mighty Christian of you, Mr. Heathen!&#160; Bwaahahahahahahah.....less than two weeks, dude!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, that sounds mighty Christian of you, Mr. Heathen!&nbsp; Bwaahahahahahahah&#8230;..less than two weeks, dude!</p>
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		<title>By: Randy Bishop</title>
		<link>http://www.iddream.com/2005/04/27/stand-your-ground/comment-page-1/#comment-369</link>
		<dc:creator>Randy Bishop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Apr 2005 16:00:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice quote.&#160; You sound like you&#8217;re attending law school or something.


As my post assumes I completely agree.&#160; There&#8217;s an idea of cowardice associated with fleeing from a dangerous situation born out of testosterone.&#160; In essence I feel it’s more courageous to take every opportunity to escape from those situations.&#160; A &#8220;bigger man&#8221; will walk away.&#160; I would rather have someone take my life than take theirs. How&#8217;s that for courage.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice quote.&nbsp; You sound like you&#8217;re attending law school or something.</p>
<p>As my post assumes I completely agree.&nbsp; There&#8217;s an idea of cowardice associated with fleeing from a dangerous situation born out of testosterone.&nbsp; In essence I feel it’s more courageous to take every opportunity to escape from those situations.&nbsp; A &#8220;bigger man&#8221; will walk away.&nbsp; I would rather have someone take my life than take theirs. How&#8217;s that for courage.</p>
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		<title>By: jeff</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Apr 2005 01:00:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is a lot of great feminist literature on how the self-defense doctrine is an excuse for unnecessary violence created by male pride.&#160; 


While most self-defense laws consider in some way the relationship between the two actors, setting of altercation, and sometimes pychological mindset of the actors, the Florida law strips away these rational considerations and gives proud &amp; violent Florida men a hunting license.


&#8220;shoot first ask questions later&#8221;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is a lot of great feminist literature on how the self-defense doctrine is an excuse for unnecessary violence created by male pride.&nbsp; </p>
<p>While most self-defense laws consider in some way the relationship between the two actors, setting of altercation, and sometimes pychological mindset of the actors, the Florida law strips away these rational considerations and gives proud &amp; violent Florida men a hunting license.</p>
<p>&#8220;shoot first ask questions later&#8221;</p>
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